lets talk stereo ....

[ommy's milieus]

I've often found partial stereo separation instead of full stereo panning to be more effective.

most people render a mix-down with both master channels panned hard left and hard right. I used to do this exclusively, then i had the idea play with it. on my console i found when i turn the pan knobs 1/4 of the way back on each side ( L @ 9 o'clock / R @ 3 o'clock ), the mix becomes more full, yet all my stereo FX etc remain audible.

the concept described above was even more notable in combination with taking EVERYTHING under 50 hz and mono'ing it . i could go on about the impact this has on the mix, but trying it for yourself is really the only way to experience the benefits of this technique . i've heard of variations of this concept from different engineers. (mono 60 hz and below, cut out 16,001 hz and above etc... )

discuss.

[Soccer Mom]

Im still messing with this. I'll try and vocalize an opinion once I've completely gotten my head around it. TBH I've never thought to mess with panning on the master but after I thought about it, I've heard it done really brilliantly a few times. Dom & Roland specifically does this really well.

[bAngaloRE]

some people go by the one channel right one channel left one channel center but they also tend to go by the one channel snare one kick one high hat bleep blarp blorf.

basically dom i think you have the capability to go all out Bob Clearmountain
you just need a good kick ass band to record and have production input towards to get you kick started.

[bAngaloRE]

check it
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb0...es/it_0209.htm

[bAngaloRE]

[bAngaloRE]

“I mix songs from beginning to end, and not in sections. I’ll develop the mix until it is as good as I can get it without automation. After that I’ll switch the SSL computer on, and usually the first pass into the automation will be doing the vocal, making sure it sits right in the mix. On subsequent passes I will ride things around the vocal, but I don’t bring these in one by one, like some mixers do. My approach is much more random. You might call it stream of consciousness. People often ask me how I do it, but it’s like trying to describe how I walk. I simply adjust what hits me at the time and try to make it sound as good as I can."

-Bob Clearmountain

[bAngaloRE]

omg look at those eventides. i wonder if there are virtual eventide dl's.

[Soccer Mom]

LOL WTF IS A RUSSIAN DRAGON?

[Alan_]

Originally Posted by bAngaloRE

omg look at those eventides. i wonder if there are virtual eventide dl's.

yeah I had a li'l unh unh moment right there.

I mono my lows with electronic dance music. If I'm recording a band I like to use a pretty wide stereo field, unless it's heavier stuff and I want impact.

I haven't explored the option of narrowing the stereo field on the master that you're talking about. interest piqued.

[RedvsBlue]

viddy interesting thread Dom.

[ommy's milieus]

Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

LOL WTF IS A RUSSIAN DRAGON?

my first mentor, marius perron , invented the russian dragon. its a piece of hardware that you set to detect a specific tempo. the center light blinks at this tempo. the blinking green lights that shuffle to the left indicate that the drummer is "dragging(dragon)" and if they are to the right the drummer is "rushing(russian)".

its a real simple piece of machinery but it is more effective than a click track. when a drummer follows a click , he tends to snap back into the pocket if he feels slow or fast. with the russian dragon, the drummer can feel his way back into the pocket without abrupt cracks in the groove.

[ommy's milieus]

Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

Dom & Roland specifically does this really well.

thats why his shit hits the floor like it does.

[ommy's milieus]

Originally Posted by bAngaloRE

some people go by the one channel right one channel left one channel center but they also tend to go by the one channel snare one kick one high hat bleep blarp blorf.

yea kicks and snares for the most part are left best in mono. but when you get into reverb and transience alot of the freq's @ about 10 k and above can add serious character to these stabby drum hits which sound as though they are dead center. you can actually re-enforce the mono nature of these sounds with stereo transience. though this thread is refering to pre-mixdown stage. im talking post-render here .

[RedvsBlue]

Im learning something from this site!!!

[bAngaloRE]

Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

LOL WTF IS A RUSSIAN DRAGON?

dude its awesome. its for live drummers but can be applied in all sorts of other areas, in fact a whole world of dj usage is just now popping up in my head, but it was just very recently re-invented and it can tell you if your beat is either going too fast or too slow to the metronome tempo or wherever the tempo is supposed to be. the part i like best though is its simplicity. its crazy you spoted that i didnt even notice it there.

[bAngaloRE]

Originally Posted by ommy's milieus

my first mentor, marius perron , invented the russian dragon. its a piece of hardware that you set to detect a specific tempo. the center light blinks at this tempo. the blinking green lights that shuffle to the left indicate that the drummer is "dragging(dragon)" and if they are to the right the drummer is "rushing(russian)".

its a real simple piece of machinery but it is more effective than a click track. when a drummer follows a click , he tends to snap back into the pocket if he feels slow or fast. with the russian dragon, the drummer can feel his way back into the pocket without abrupt cracks in the groove.

oops thats right, i missed this post. i grew up with marius perron he was in a cover band with my crazy talented piano playing uncle. thats crazy that he was your first mentor, but i have also met alot of other people who have taken his classes, so i guess its not that crazy. mikey took them for a little bit, marius dubbed mikey "pan-master" cause in his final mixdown exams he would do crazy panning techniques for guitar solos and such. small effing world down in south texas.

[bAngaloRE]

rushin' or draggin' ... funny guy.

[Alan_]

yeah, that name's hilarious.

when I first started mixing I was WAY more into panning effects than I am now. That shit doesn't always translate the way you think it's going to, and can have some superweird effects on summed volume.

[Soccer Mom]

Originally Posted by Alan_

yeah, that name's hilarious.

when I first started mixing I was WAY more into panning effects than I am now. That shit doesn't always translate the way you think it's going to, and can have some superweird effects on summed volume.

YEAH, I WAS THAT WAY TOO AT FIRST. I GET CARRIED AWAY WITH STEREO AND SEND EFFECTS SOMETIMES TO THE POINT WHERE I DONT KNOW HOW TO MIX IT ALL PROPERLY. I'VE KINDA COOLED OUT ON IT AFTER BOTCHING A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THIS WAY. IT SOUNDS COOL BUT CAN BE A HEADACHE SOMETIMES.